{"id":1561,"date":"2024-03-01T18:33:50","date_gmt":"2024-03-01T18:33:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/guncoupons.net\/?p=1561"},"modified":"2024-03-01T18:33:50","modified_gmt":"2024-03-01T18:33:50","slug":"scotus-what-did-the-supremes-think-of-bump-stocks","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/guncoupons.net\/?p=1561","title":{"rendered":"SCOTUS: What Did the Supremes Think of Bump Stocks?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<p id=\"breadcrumbs\"><span><span><a href=\"https:\/\/blog.cheaperthandirt.com\/\">Home<\/a><\/span> \u00bb <span><a href=\"https:\/\/blog.cheaperthandirt.com\/category\/news\/\">News<\/a><\/span> \u00bb <span><a href=\"https:\/\/blog.cheaperthandirt.com\/category\/news\/legal-issues\/\">Legal Issues<\/a><\/span> \u00bb <span class=\"breadcrumb_last\" aria-current=\"page\">SCOTUS: What Did the Supremes Think of Bump Stocks?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<div>\n<div class=\"article-image\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<p>I consider myself somewhat a gun nut. I have been writing about shooting, hunting, and outdoor sports since the late 1990s. I served in the military before that and carried a gun or two in the Gulf War. I\u2019ve been hunting since I was seven. I have multiple degrees, including a Ph.D. in Communications and a Bachelor of Political Science. I would not say I was smart, but I am educated. However, after listening to 1.5 hours of oral arguments regarding bump stocks, I feel dumber for the experience\u2026<\/p>\n<p>The arguments were a word salad that was left out in the hot sun for too long, turned brown, and wilted long before the 90 minutes expired. It devolved into a debate over words, transitive verbs, and hypothetical black boxes that vibrate after pushing a button to shoot multiple bullets. There was even a discussion of a trip wire that caused a \u2018preplaced\u2019 gun to shoot multiple times and whether that constituted a machine gun.<\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"640\" height=\"413\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.cheaperthandirt.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Bumpstock-L.jpg?resize=640%2C413&amp;ssl=1\" alt=\"Bump stock on an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle\" class=\"wp-image-85421\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.cheaperthandirt.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Bumpstock-L.jpg?w=648&amp;ssl=1 648w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.cheaperthandirt.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Bumpstock-L.jpg?resize=300%2C194&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.cheaperthandirt.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Bumpstock-L.jpg?resize=150%2C97&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Originally, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals recently ruled against the Trump Era Bump Stock Ban. Now, the Supreme Court of the United States is hearing the case.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>None of that really seemed to matter (in my opinion). I thought what really mattered was whether the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) had the authority to regulate bump stocks the same way it does machine guns? However, that was another case. This was simply about whether a bump stock was a machine gun, based on the definition of the word \u2018function.\u2019<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Bump Stocks<\/h2>\n<p>Gun control advocates, and the Government, claim \u201cA bump stock is a device that enables <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cheaperthandirt.com\/firearms\/rifles\/semi-automatic\/?utm_source=blog.cheaperthandirt&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=scotus-what-did-the-supremes-think-of-bump-stocks\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">semi-automatic rifles<\/a> to fire almost like machine guns.\u201d That sounds like being a little bit pregnant to me. Either the device is a machine gun or it\u2019s not. However, that is another debate.<\/p>\n<p>In 2018, the Trump administration enacted a bump stock ban in response to the 2017 mass shooting at a Las Vegas concert. The gunman used a bump stock to kill or wound scores of people. Shortly after the ban\u2019s enactment, Michael Cargill (an owner of two bump stocks), filed suit.<\/p>\n<p>Bump stocks were not new in 2017. After some vacillation, the ATF had ruled that bump stocks were not machine guns. The \u2018function\u2019 of the trigger\u2026 i.e. the trigger only fired one shot each time it was activated. The trigger then went through reset and a new action began to fire the next shot. Thus, a nonmechanical bump stock was not a machine gun.<\/p>\n<p><em>Function\u2026<\/em> that\u2019s where things got messy. Why did Congress use the word \u2018function\u201d? Function is not a \u2018pull\u2019 of the trigger. Even when the Congress enacted the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 there were \u2018push\u2019 triggers.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Arguments: Highlights<\/h2>\n<p>Early in the proceedings, Justice Gorsuch laid out \u201c\u2026we are dealing with a statute enacted in the 1930s. Through many administrations (Bush, Obama), the government took the position that these bump stocks are not machine guns. Then, you (ATF) adopted an interpretive role, not even legislative, <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.cheaperthandirt.com\/bumpstocks-win-change-rules\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">saying otherwise<\/a>. A role that would render between a quarter-million to half-million people federal felons, not even through a process they could challenge, subject to 10 years in federal prison, and the only way they can challenge it is if they are prosecuted. They may wind up dispossessed of all guns in the future, as well as other civil rights, including the right to vote.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI want your reaction to that. I believe there are a number of members of congress, including Senator Feinstein, who said this administrative action forestalled legislation that would have dealt with this topic directly, rather than using an almost 100-year-old statute in a way that many districts would not have anticipated.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Brian Fletcher, U.S. Principal Deputy Solicitor General, then put the ATF on a somewhat even keel with SCOTUS. He claimed that SCOTUS often concludes that the government had interpreted statutes the wrong way and corrects the wrong.<\/p>\n<p>Fletcher said, I think the government should do the same thing. After the Las Vegas shooting, I think it would have been irresponsible for the ATF not to take another closer look at this prior interpretation, reflected in a handful of classification letters, and to look at the problem more carefully. Having done that, I think it would have been responsible if the ATF concluded, as it did, that these devices are prohibited.<\/p>\n<p>Justice Gorsuch: Why not do it by a legislative rule, properly? As an interpretive rule, you can \u2014 more or less \u2014 just issue. You don\u2019t even have to put it in the Federal Registry. You do in some circumstances, but not all. You are creating a class of between a quarter-million and half-million people who have, in reliance on past administrations, republican and democrat, who said this does not qualify under the statute. An interpretive rule, you cannot even challenge it.<\/p>\n<p>Fletcher went on to make his case about mobsters during Prohibition using machine guns, rates of fire, and general lawlessness to be the real reason for the NFA. He went further to claim that the increased rate of fire from a bump stock-equipped semi-automatic should be classified as a machine gun based on this reasoning.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Opposition (Michael Cargill, Respondent)<\/h2>\n<p>Jonathan F. Mitchell on behalf of the Respondent: The statutory definition of machine gun extends only to weapons that fire more than one shot automatically \u2014 by a single function of the trigger. Mr. Cargill\u2019s bump stocks fall outside that \u2014 for one definition. (The Respondent\u2019s counsel stated that the Government\u2019s position failed on two points, either of which would cause the Government\u2019s position to fail.) A bump stock can fire only one shot, per function of the trigger, because the trigger must reset after every shot and function again before another shot can be fired.<\/p>\n<p>The trigger is the device that initiates the firing of the weapon. The <em>function of the trigger<\/em> is what the firing device must do to cause the firearm to fire. The phrase \u2018function of the trigger\u2019 can refer only to the trigger\u2019s function. It has nothing to do with the shooter or what the shooter does to the trigger, because the shooter does not have a function. The statute is concerned only with what the trigger does, and whether a single function of that trigger produces more than one shot.<\/p>\n<p>Second, a bump stock-equipped rifle does not, and cannot, fire more than one shot automatically by a single function of the trigger. Because the shooter, in addition to causing the trigger to function, must also undertake additional manual actions to ensure a successful round of bump firing. Everything about the bump firing process is manual.<\/p>\n<p>There is no automating device, such as a spring or motor, in any of Mr. Cargill\u2019s nonmechanical bump stocks. The process depends entirely on human effort. The shooter must thrust it forward with the non-shooting hand while simultaneously maintaining backward pressure on the weapon with his shooting hand. None of the actions are automated. The solicitor general has yet to identify any component of Mr. Cargill\u2019s devices that automatically performs any task necessary for the gun\u2019s firing. We ask the court to affirm on that ground.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Down the <em>Rabbit Hole<\/em><\/h2>\n<p>However, it was Fletcher\u2019s reasoning about the definition of \u2018function\u2019 that really seemed to muddy the waters. The Government contended that \u2018function of the trigger\u2019 did not mean movement of the trigger. Instead, Fletcher offered that it meant action of the shooter \u2014 and the Justices followed him right down that <em>Rabbit Hole<\/em>.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Conclusion<\/h2>\n<p>Only a fool would look at the questioning by the Justices and predict the outcome of the Court\u2019s decision. The Justices often play devil\u2019s advocate to strengthen or weaken an argument. However, I think we can all play the part of the <em>fool<\/em> here, and reasonably conclude that the High Court will not hand down a decision that is not favorable to bump stocks. Justice Gorsuch, at one point said, \u201cI can certainly understand why these <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.cheaperthandirt.com\/10-things-you-should-buy-right-now\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">items should be made illegal.<\/a>\u201d<\/p>\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Are you in favor of bump stocks being legalized. Do you think they should be classified as machine guns? Why? 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